Enigma Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 The 500 song limit is ridiculous, how am I suppose to see how this program handles large music collections if I am stuck with a 500 limit? This is designed for those of us with large music collections right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Sorry to hear @Enigma; if you find it doesn't work out well for you I'm happy to offer you a refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 Don't take it the wrong way @Jason Carr but I do not buy software without knowing how well it works even if the refund policy is pretty good. Just not how I do things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Conroy Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) How would you propose it was restricted @Enigma? This is an Alpha product. When there are more features there may be other ways to better restrict use (as LaunchBox does). Edited September 26, 2017 by Martin Conroy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Conroy Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) Hmm, appears you can add a blank post @Jason Carr and then not delete it Edited September 26, 2017 by Martin Conroy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriven Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 (edited) Maybe Jason could offer two demo options, one with the number of songs limited and one with a timed limitation? Edited September 26, 2017 by Kriven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Unfortunately the issue with timed demos is that they require DRM, which you guys know I hate. It's the nasty, phone home kind of DRM too. There's really no other way to do a timed demo. That has been quite a limitation for us though; we've had a similar issue with Big Box in that people can't try it out before buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrackgeek Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Maybe allow the program to scan and add 500 songs even if your folder contains more than that? At least you get to see the basic functionality without having to make a special folder for testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newlander Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 maybe the song limit can change if a Theater mode (Music big box ) was implemented or restrict features such as music analysis and tagging being limited like plex i know LB started off as a front end for just DOSBOX but that changed perhaps Music box could change also in the future into something like MediaBox - which can do movies and TV also , like an all in one media platform something like kodi but with this awesome music interface that music box already has Launchbox - All in one Games platform Mediabox - All in one Media Platform that would be Amazing and would allow more feature restrictions for free users like plex currently does with plex premium really excited for the future of this application 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDave71 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I have large collection and used many try before you software. Some software came at a premium and others were open source. I don't know if this Demo is scrapping or just pulling the artwork from my music folder or reading the embedded image. 1. How can I confirm this is scrapping? 2. What format is used for tagging files. 3. Can we edit the tag and supply m6 own information 4 can data be exported to a csv? 5. 500 entries not enough 6. How do we make playlist? 7. Can playlist have their own artwork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 5 hours ago, Newlander said: maybe the song limit can change if a Theater mode (Music big box ) was implemented or restrict features such as music analysis and tagging being limited like plex i know LB started off as a front end for just DOSBOX but that changed perhaps Music box could change also in the future into something like MediaBox - which can do movies and TV also , like an all in one media platform something like kodi but with this awesome music interface that music box already has Launchbox - All in one Games platform Mediabox - All in one Media Platform that would be Amazing and would allow more feature restrictions for free users like plex currently does with plex premium really excited for the future of this application Then it would be competing with free and in my own opinion better software like Kodi which is a very good media center software solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newlander Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 35 minutes ago, Enigma said: Then it would be competing with free and in my own opinion better software like Kodi which is a very good media center software solution. just like how LB competed with hyperspin? kodi is ok but is really lack luster for lots of things , someone like Jason could make it much better , makes musicbox more appealing to other people if it covered more media types 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriven Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I'm sure that if Music Box is successful, Jason is open to the idea of building a Movie Box for us later on down the line. He's one of the most community-focused developers I've ever met, and he's not a bad businessman on top of that. He knows that at some point LaunchBox and Music Box will reach their pinnacle state, and he'll need to keep revenue coming in after that if he wants to maintain his lifestyle (which it seems like he enjoys, so I imagine that he would). He's already expressed some interest in tying the entire --Box family into Big Box. We just need to give him the time to build it all up. Remember that Kodi/XBMC is thirteen-year-old project. Give the Box Family some time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 15 hours ago, soundtrackgeek said: Maybe allow the program to scan and add 500 songs even if your folder contains more than that? At least you get to see the basic functionality without having to make a special folder for testing. This is actually already how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 15 hours ago, Newlander said: maybe the song limit can change if a Theater mode (Music big box ) was implemented or restrict features such as music analysis and tagging being limited like plex i know LB started off as a front end for just DOSBOX but that changed perhaps Music box could change also in the future into something like MediaBox - which can do movies and TV also , like an all in one media platform something like kodi but with this awesome music interface that music box already has Launchbox - All in one Games platform Mediabox - All in one Media Platform that would be Amazing and would allow more feature restrictions for free users like plex currently does with plex premium really excited for the future of this application Certainly possible! We can always make more stuff free in the future once there's more implemented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrackgeek Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jason Carr said: This is actually already how it works. Ah good Didn't work for me in the first version so I got myself a license. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 10 hours ago, NJDave71 said: I have large collection and used many try before you software. Some software came at a premium and others were open source. I don't know if this Demo is scrapping or just pulling the artwork from my music folder or reading the embedded image. 1. How can I confirm this is scrapping? 2. What format is used for tagging files. 3. Can we edit the tag and supply m6 own information 4 can data be exported to a csv? 5. 500 entries not enough 6. How do we make playlist? 7. Can playlist have their own artwork Much of this is still in development. Currently only Artist images are downloaded from Last.fm. Everything else is a work in progress. All other information comes only from your music collection's tags for the moment. That will change soon enough. All official/popular file tags for MP3, FLAC, etc. are supported. Editing tags isn't there yet but it's coming. There's currently no data export. Playlists are coming as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Kriven said: I'm sure that if Music Box is successful, Jason is open to the idea of building a Movie Box for us later on down the line. He's one of the most community-focused developers I've ever met, and he's not a bad businessman on top of that. He knows that at some point LaunchBox and Music Box will reach their pinnacle state, and he'll need to keep revenue coming in after that if he wants to maintain his lifestyle (which it seems like he enjoys, so I imagine that he would). He's already expressed some interest in tying the entire --Box family into Big Box. We just need to give him the time to build it all up. Remember that Kodi/XBMC is thirteen-year-old project. Give the Box Family some time. Hahahaha. Thanks @Kriven. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriven Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Jason Carr said: All other information comes only from your music collection's tags for the moment. That will change soon enough. The program is going to have a toggle to prefer file metadata over scraper metadata, right? The last thing I want is a scraper "fixing" my meticulous metadata tags. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Kriven said: The program is going to have a toggle to prefer file metadata over scraper metadata, right? The last thing I want is a scraper "fixing" my meticulous metadata tags. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Most definitely. I wanted to murder iTunes for that several times way back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadekitten Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 personal opinion the song limit is too limity, yes limity is cute and should be a word! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Gonna be increasing the song limit to 1,000 for the next release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengeek Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I find similar issues on really large libraries with most audio play back software out there. Most seem to do great on libraries that are under 20k or so songs. Once you start bumping them up to 50k, 500k, or larger, then they start really lagging out, or taking a lot of time to switch views, or load artist or album lists, etc. Just last week I was trying a popular audiophile raspberry pi distribution to use along with my DAC and it just kept freezing up. After a few rescans to get the whole library into that system, I found I couldn't even change views without waiting 5 minutes. Maybe you could try a demo options similar to Album Player where you limit the playback of all files to 20 seconds. That would allow people to be able to test out all the features of Music Box Alpha. The only downside being it would make the demo version useless if one doesn't purchase. On an up note, I am really excited with the possibility to use BigBox for my media launcher and have it setup like one of your later dev videos with a top level menu. Have it kick off BigBox for local games, Music Box Alpha for local music, and maybe Plex (or Kodi) for local movies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Carr Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 22 hours ago, greengeek said: I find similar issues on really large libraries with most audio play back software out there. Most seem to do great on libraries that are under 20k or so songs. Once you start bumping them up to 50k, 500k, or larger, then they start really lagging out, or taking a lot of time to switch views, or load artist or album lists, etc. Just last week I was trying a popular audiophile raspberry pi distribution to use along with my DAC and it just kept freezing up. After a few rescans to get the whole library into that system, I found I couldn't even change views without waiting 5 minutes. Maybe you could try a demo options similar to Album Player where you limit the playback of all files to 20 seconds. That would allow people to be able to test out all the features of Music Box Alpha. The only downside being it would make the demo version useless if one doesn't purchase. On an up note, I am really excited with the possibility to use BigBox for my media launcher and have it setup like one of your later dev videos with a top level menu. Have it kick off BigBox for local games, Music Box Alpha for local music, and maybe Plex (or Kodi) for local movies. Good points, @greengeek. I'd like to make MBA at least marginably usable without a license, but maybe a combination of both would be a good idea. That said, we have had some users with very large libraries and performance has not been a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieGames Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) On 9/27/2017 at 6:08 AM, Enigma said: The 500 song limit is ridiculous, how am I suppose to see how this program handles large music collections if I am stuck with a 500 limit? This is designed for those of us with large music collections right? The 500 song limit is just for the demo or alpha? I've only imported a few albums so far so i haven't hit a limit, wasn't aware there was one. Surely the final product will have no limit. Edited October 29, 2018 by BernieGames Fixing punctuation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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